| Author | Message | ||
     Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 526 Registered: 01-2006 |
The only HP that stays alive for me is Baronne Prevost, which is the ONLY HP I've heard of doing well here own root and all organic. *** Interestingly, John, Baronne Prevost is good here for us as well, in coastal Southern California. Our combination of fog and alkaline conditions, with no winter chill, is difficult at best for HPs. But Baronne Prevost thrives, against all odds, as a lovely, lanky climber. | ||
| Beth Patterson (Lavenderlady) Greenhorn Username: Lavenderlady Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2006 |
I live in the Texas Hill Country (Deer Central) and we are researching roses that do well used as an "herb". The Apothacary Rose is one I have never found but have lots of information about. We are currently growing roses in containers until more deer fence can be built and we are looking for heat tollerant roses that have history. I am working on a presentation that will teach those new to herbs and new to roses that there are roses out there that have great scent and hips that can be used in crafting. Any suggestions on what to include in our trials. By the way...we brought back some great specimans from the conference in Dallas to get us started!!! | ||
| Linda Buzzell-Saltzman (Linda) Bug Squisher Username: linda Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2006 |
John, I am so encouraged to hear of the work you're doing for those of us in warm climates. I'm in Zone 10, coastal calif, totally organic/ecological and have just taken a permaculture course so am very committed to finding roses that will grow here as part of a healthy ecosystem without extravagant water or care. Disease magnets, wimps and divas are out, no matter how gorgeous! I'm starting with chinas, teas, one or two noisettes, a couple of Calif. "found" roses like Grandmother's Hat. Lots more can grow here, of course, but as you say, in the gardens of the wealthy with hired gardeners and unlimited water budgets. And often with many toxic sprays. | ||
| John A Starnes Jr (Johnastarnes) Powdery Mildew Username: johnastarnes Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hi Stephen, Yes indeed roses grow in Florida...I have approx. 170 in front of my home I trial and breed with, all but maybe 3 on their own roots. I never spray but instead focus on creating healthy fertile soil and a complex ecology by adding a very eclectic mix of beneficial macro and micro organisms. I make heavy use of deep mulch and watered the front garden just 6 times last year, very deeply overnight each time. Especially vigorous are Wichuraiana ramblers, Mermaid (scary!!!!), Seagull, the expected Chinas, Teas and Noisettes, some species like R. laevigata and R. bracteata. I am testing for David Austin some of his hybrids but so far only Abraham Darby thrives in my harsh conditions, likely due to the Wichuraiana blood. The only HP that stays alive for me is Baronne Prevost, which is the ONLY HP I've heard of doing well here own root and all organic. Florida's environment is in SUCH duress I can't fathom using an endless array of poisons and staggering amounts of water just to grow a pretty flower. So needless to say I have VERY few Moderns in my garden, though I keep trying Oklahoma as I adore that rose plus use it in my breeding efforts. I am equally Darwinian in my test beds out back and lose the vast majority of my hybrid seedlings to attrition as I want to breed TOUGH VIGOROUS roses for Florida to be grown own root and organically....a few very promising ones show astonishing vigor due to Wichuraiana blood and are in testing at Chamblee's and Ashdown, and soon, hopefully, at ARE. Sadly, there is a "truism"in Florida...."roses won't grow in Florida"...but that myth arose due to short lived moderns on Dr. Huey, and the demanding requirements of those on Fortuniana that the average person with a job and family and house and yard to care for can rarely meet. I DO see however, in the yards of the wealthy with private gardeners, STUNNING collections of Hybrid Teas and Austins and more on Fortuniana with the attendent water-hog sprinkler systems and routine spraying. | ||
| ann peck (Anntn6b) Bug Squisher Username: anntn6b Post Number: 163 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi, John, It seems like years ago in Lakeland that you asked me if I had ever seen a list of roses used as rootstocks. Recently I found a paper that should be the basis for such a list. (I got a xerox copy from my local ag. library. You can find you closest library by using www.worldcat.org The paper: A botanical study of rose stocks, in Journal of the Royal Horticultural Society, 1933 29 pages starting with page 344. | ||
| stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 699 Registered: 01-2006 |
Do roses grow in Tampa? | ||
| John A Starnes Jr (Johnastarnes) Greenhorn Username: johnastarnes Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2006 |
Well once I filled in my password manually instead of the automatic fill in my week of frustrating attempts to post succeeded. Have a few thousand hybrid and OP seeds stratifying in two fridges, getting ready to plant more roses to test and possibly breed with, and am loving seeing my winter veggie garden thriving. Am in year 4 of being back home where I belong....7 month winters were evil! | ||
| stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 698 Registered: 01-2006 |
yeah! now you have to catch up. What's new in Tampa? | ||
| John A Starnes Jr (Johnastarnes) Greenhorn Username: johnastarnes Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2006 |
Trying to post once more. John |