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     Kathleen Lapergola (Roselady44) Shovel Pruner Username: roselady44 Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2004 |
Jeri, do let us know what you will send to Ashdown, as then I will purchase some when they are available. How exciting. I hope I can grown some of yours that you found and see if they like the East Coast. | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 651 Registered: 01-2006 |
It's in my garden, too. And big enough now to take cuttings later this year. The San Fernando Valley, where it was found, is much hotter and drier than my coastal area, and few HT's really succeed here. But this one is just as clean, and just as prolific here as it was in its old home. Mel -- I may send some of Louise Ave. to Cliff Orent, for Ashdown West -- along with a few other choice things. Jeri | ||
| Mel Hulse (Kernel) Bug Squisher Username: kernel Post Number: 154 Registered: 09-2004 |
We California rustlers are dedicated to preserving these wonderful survivors. The San Jose Heritage Rose Garden has around 200 found, mystery roses. When we propagate the results of rose rustling, we spread them around. Most everything we get is copied to the Sacramento City Cemetery Historic Rose Garden and vice versa. Also, we do our best to put those we don't recognize as known OGRs into commerce. Many are at Vintage Gardens, B&B and others. Louise Ave. HT? It's in the Heritage and I have a take in our greenhouse for the Sacramento Cemetery garden. | ||
| Sandra Burket (Sburket) Bug Squisher Username: SBurket Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2004 |
Kathleen, your garden in winter is lovely. It's not a surprise that both you, and Jeri won awards for your photos....the roses are beautiful. Jeri, are you growing 'Louise Avenue White HT'?What a glorious rose! I pass an old abandoned house with an equally old HT on my trips to central TX. Twice I've taken cuttings from this rose, and twice I've lost all cuttings. Maybe the third time I'll be successful, but if not, all my frantic snipping doesn't appear to have an adverse affect on the bush. Last week, while taking my grandkids home, I noticed the rose bush was still there, and growing magnificiently in all directions. I couldn't take more cuttings then, but I do plan to try again. Sandra | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 650 Registered: 01-2006 |
Conventional Wisdom says that there are no surviving Old Roses in Southern California -- because water was so scarce until the big irrigation projects were pushed through (see: "Chinatown"). That's certainly true of cemeteries here. But to my surprise, there ARE roses here, generally speaking at old homes. One of the keys is that either: Only one or two families has owned the property (at least, since the roses were planted); OR The area has run down, and no one there can afford new garden plants. Jeri | ||
| Kathleen Lapergola (Roselady44) Shovel Pruner Username: roselady44 Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2004 |
Wish me LUCK and I will be sure to let you know if I find any this spring and summer. | ||
| Kay Cangemi (Mad_gallica) Bug Squisher Username: mad_gallica Post Number: 82 Registered: 01-2006 |
By all accounts, roses were never nearly as prevalent in north eastern cemetaries as they are out west or in the south. I've probably seen a grand total of three roses in cemetaries in my life (that weren't multiflora). It's what makes Easton so famous. Since roses were for the living, and not the dead, they were part of home landscaping. This makes their survival quite tricky since either the houses are still inhabited, and the current occupants can get rid of the roses, or the land has been abandoned, and the trees will shade out the roses. The funny part is that I've probably found about a dozen different types of iris growing in cemetaries locally. No roses. | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 649 Registered: 01-2006 |
Kathleen, sadly, many old cemetery roses HAVE been deliberately removed -- or deliberately killed with Roundup, as happened in my family's cemetery. But you never know when you'll stumble across a dowdy old house in a dingy, rundown neighborhood, with rose treasures in the garden. Jeri | ||
| Kathleen Lapergola (Roselady44) Shovel Pruner Username: roselady44 Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2004 |
Jeri, I just copied your list and will be sure to put this box together. Funny, I am always on the lookout for roses when I am driving. In fact last week I went to a cemetary in a small town near me that had a date of 1860 on it. Well I drove thru part of it and did not see any roses around the old gravestones. I have a feeling they were removed. I will check again in the Spring. Fara, thank you for you kind words. | ||
| Fara Shimbo (Fara_shimbo) Bug Squisher Username: fara_shimbo Post Number: 167 Registered: 04-2006 |
Jeri, That photo of the rose with the drops on it is MARVELOUS!!! I'd love to use it as wallpaper on my computer! SO beautiful! Kathleen, Your garden is magnificent at all times of year! | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 648 Registered: 01-2006 |
Kathleen -- Get yourself a pair of pruners, a small ice chest, a package of zip-lock bags, some paper towels, a bottle of water, a sharpee pen, and some of that colorful plastic surveyor's tape. Put all of it together in a box, and put it in the trunk of your car. Now, start looking around, as you drive around your part of the world. I'll betcha you'll find that there are fascinating unfamiliar roses in your area -- some of them in urgent danger. A fellow HRG member passed this ugly house on her way to work every day, not knowing it was built in 1920, and was pretty spiffy in its day. She DID notice the white roses that bloomed all year long, with no care and no disease. This may be a very good 'Snowbird.' Could be something else. But when the house is bulldozed (and it will be) THIS rose won't be lost.   Jeri | ||
| Kathleen Lapergola (Roselady44) Shovel Pruner Username: roselady44 Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2004 |
Jeri, that makes me feel sad that these roses are disappearing!!! I know you are doing an excellent job out there in California to get cuttings and keep these old roses going. My hat is off to you. I am so glad you are making such a difference and keeping these old roses alive!!!! Bravo !!!! | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 647 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hmmmmm . . . Well, maybe the rose we know out here as Old Red Runaround isn't the same rose that you've got in the East? Gregg would likely know -- I know he and Phillip are very familiar with ORR. If I were recommending roses for cemetery plantings, I would certainly recommend Mme. Plantier. What a survivor she is. I found a story a while back, about San Juan Bautista. The narrator said that their Aunt lived up near the Campo Santo. She had a rose garden, from which she commonly started cuttings. When a funeral procession went by her house, she would take a rose from her garden, and plant it for the newly-buried person. This likely explains why that cemetery, for instance, has so many 'La Reine's. I suspect both that house and that garden are long gone -- but I'm going to make a point of checking on that, when I am in SJB, in May. Jeri | ||
| stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 831 Registered: 01-2006 |
A red hybrid China was found in regular plantings in Easton Cemetery (PA), along with plantings of Mme. Plantier. Leonie Bell identified this as Malton, a hybrid China. In old nursery catalogs and in old Cemetery journals, i have found references to both of these roses as recommended roses for cemetery plantings. How Lee positively ID'd 'Malton', I'm not sure. | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 646 Registered: 01-2006 |
Kathleen -- over the past decade, several roses have disappeared from that cemetery. Some of them were clearly victims of Roundup -- though some may just finally have died from lack of water, or one too many forraging deer. No, Old Red Runaround is not Dr. Huey. It's a probable Hybrid China, which shows up ALL over the Goldrush Country. See: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=4544 I believe that, when people first started running across it, it was incorrectly identified as 'Hippolyte,' but it's not that rose. Charming thing, tho, if you have some winter chill for it, and if late season rust isn't a big problem for you. Cemetery roses are ALWAYS endangered. I found a 7-foot-tall semi-double China in my own family's cemetery, in TX. We -- the cousins, all think it came from the family home, since my Step-Great-Gramma was a rose-lover. But a year or two after I collected it, Roundup did it in. Not that the whole family isn't angry about it! We -- the cousins -- all hope that we can re-plant it there, eventually. Jeri | ||
| Kathleen Lapergola (Roselady44) Shovel Pruner Username: roselady44 Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2004 |
Jeri, tell me what you think happend to this plant at Emanuel's grave. Also I never heard of Old Red Runaround is this by any chance Dr.Huey?? | ||
| stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 830 Registered: 01-2006 |
Mme. Plantier was sold as a "memorial rose", planted in cemeteries during the 19th to early 20th century | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 645 Registered: 01-2006 |
Jeri, I wonder who planted the rose at his grave?? Maybe a mother or wife?? *** Maybe. Someone wrote a little story about it having been left by a child whose life he'd saved. Made me cry! Only 25 years old, after all -- that was a tough, and often short life. :-( You find Mme. Plantier all over in the GoldRush country, and some have speculated that it might have been used as rootstock. I'm more inclined to think that it was just popular, since it is so very lovely, and so trouble-free. As of last spring, the plant was gone -- but an "Old Red Runaround" is still there -- so Emanuel still has one of his roses. Jeri | ||
| Kathleen Lapergola (Roselady44) Shovel Pruner Username: roselady44 Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2004 |
The first photo is Pink Leda and the second is my garden in winter.  | ||
| Kathleen Lapergola (Roselady44) Shovel Pruner Username: roselady44 Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2004 |
Here are my winning photos from the ARS contest:  | ||
| Anne Belovich (Anne) Bug Squisher Username: Anne Post Number: 45 Registered: 01-2006 |
Your photo is absolutely lovely, Jeri. It looks like an elaborate old-fashioned petticoat laid out on the floor. | ||
| Kathleen Lapergola (Roselady44) Shovel Pruner Username: roselady44 Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2004 |
Jeri, I wonder who planted the rose at his grave?? Maybe a mother or wife?? | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 644 Registered: 01-2006 |
Thanks Kathleen! And Congratulations to you, too. You could have knocked me over with a feather! :-) http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/JeriJennings/4MmePlantierJennings.jpg It was also, I'm told, "Honorable Mention for Best In Contest." Tne nicest thing, I think, is that the bloom came from a bush grown from a cutting taken from the grave of Emanuel Penrose, a 25-y-o Cornish-born miner, who died in the 1860's, in the Sierra Foothills Gold Rush country. So I think of it as a gift from Emanuel. Jeri | ||
| Kathleen Lapergola (Roselady44) Shovel Pruner Username: roselady44 Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2004 |
Congratulations to Jeri for placing first in Class 4 of the ARS photo contest with her photo of Mme.Plantier. I hope she will post her winning photo!!!! I won Honorable Mention in this Class with Pink Leda. I also won a Silver in Class 13 "Winter Garden Scene. |