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     Anne Belovich (Anne) Bug Squisher Username: Anne Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2006 |
I agree that the flowers in the two photos look somewhat alike. That's why these varieties are confused sometimes. The flowers are about the same size and are carried in small clusters and the color is very similar. But the flowers of Alberic Barbier are more double and they reflex along the sides to become quilled as they age. The petals of Gardenia open out more flat to resemble the plant's namesake except for those fussy little petaloids in the center. | |||
| John A Starnes Jr (Johnastarnes) Powdery Mildew Username: johnastarnes Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2006 |
Here in Tampa my Francois Juranville and Leontine Gervais will READILY crawl along the ground, with Leontine having literally snaked THIRTY FEET into surrounding perennials! Albertine does it too but no where near as aggressively. And my own Wichuraiana hybrids do the same. | |||
| Anne Belovich (Anne) Bug Squisher Username: Anne Post Number: 30 Registered: 01-2006 |
No, Sandra, the yellow has been intensified by the type of film (Velvia) I used. The true color is softer and lighter than shown. Sorry, I forgot to mention it. Color in photographs is notoriously unreliable. I wish there was a way of making it more accurate. I'm thinking about bringing in flowers of roses I grow this year and using my Adobe program to match the color in my photos. | |||
| stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 777 Registered: 01-2006 |
Alberic Barbier only has a hint of yellow, if any at all. Mine were nearly pure white ( one from Antique rose Emporium, the other from Pickering were nearly white). I would call it an "antique white" - just a hint of yellow staining. This color seems to be consistent wherever I've seen it, throughout the country and in Europe. Anne, your photos seem too yellow for AB, in fact, the photos look like they might be the same rose? Rosa w. and it's hybrids were referred to as "running roses", due to their tendency to send out long canes at ground level. These root easily along the ground. ss | |||
| Sandra Burket (Sburket) Bug Squisher Username: SBurket Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2004 |
Thanks, Anne. If both Alberic Barbier, and Gardenia have as much yellow as those you posted, then I must not have either rose. The yellow in the rose I have is barely perceptible. The picture of Alberic Barbier in the book, Climbing Roses, is much closer to the coloration of the rose I have in my garden. I'll take pictures later this spring. Sandra | |||
| Anne Belovich (Anne) Bug Squisher Username: Anne Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2006 |
Something went wrong with the photo of Gardenia. I'll try again.  | |||
| Anne Belovich (Anne) Bug Squisher Username: Anne Post Number: 28 Registered: 01-2006 |
Maybe these photos will help to distinguish between the two roses in this discussion.  Alberic Barbier
Gardenia | |||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 612 Registered: 01-2006 |
You find Gardenia, as well, in Mendocino, CA. There's one long fence covered with it that is beyond spectacular, if you catch it at the right time. Jeri | |||
| Sandra Burket (Sburket) Bug Squisher Username: SBurket Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2004 |
Ann, this rose does root where ever the nodes touch the ground. Consequently, I now have more wichuranas than needed. You did give me an idea though. I think I'll transplant one of the roses to an area of my garden that is left natural. It will help to provide protection for the birds, and small animals, space that seems to be disappearing at an alarming rate all over TX. Jeri, I'm still looking for my records that I kept when I acquired this rose. It's around here somewhere! | |||
| ann peck (Anntn6b) Bug Squisher Username: anntn6b Post Number: 197 Registered: 01-2006 |
From 1899, and the breeder Manda the H. Wichurana 'Gardenia' is commonly found in my part of the world. It, too, is a light yellow healthy rose that goes both out and up. It is such a crawler, rooting at nodes where ever they touch the ground, that it outwits bushhogging roadside maintenance crews and is a survivor along roadsides where many, many ramblers are lost by growing more upright that out. | |||
| Mel Hulse (Kernel) Bug Squisher Username: kernel Post Number: 141 Registered: 09-2004 |
But yes, Wichurana hybrids do crawl along the ground. | |||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 611 Registered: 01-2006 |
ROTFL! I do understand. I feel sometimes like the unfortunate person in the Quicken commercial -- who keeps all of his bookkeeping records in his head. I know things are THERE, but remembering where is a wholly different issue. | |||
| Sandra Burket (Sburket) Bug Squisher Username: SBurket Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2004 |
Hi Jeri, I'll have to dig out some of my older rose records to find the correspondence from the person that sent it to me. This was 8 or so years ago,I think. I'm notorious for keeping the most insignificant thing when it comes to roses, but finding the info is another matter. Thanks, Sandra | |||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 610 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hey Sandra -- Where in Southern CA did this rose come from? Jeri Jennings | |||
| Sandra Burket (Sburket) Bug Squisher Username: SBurket Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2004 |
Several years ago I acquired a found rose from S. California. I'm almost certain this rose is Alberic Barbier. Stephen's description of this rose in his book, Climbing Roses, further convinces me that it is indeed an old R. wichuraiana hybrid. It has one characteristic that my other climbers do not have, and that is it's propensity to send runners crawling across the ground. Do all wichuraianas exhibit this same characteristic? Is it possible that this is another wichuraiana bred by the same breeder at the same time, but not Alberic Barbier? Sandra |
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