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     Linda Buzzell-Saltzman (Linda) Bug Squisher Username: Linda Post Number: 56 Registered: 01-2006 |
Thanks, Mel. | ||
| Mel Hulse (Kernel) Bug Squisher Username: kernel Post Number: 140 Registered: 09-2004 |
The "Huntingdon attribution" and the "Santa Cruz/Grant clone." are entries made when the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden was first entered into HMF some years ago. We still have them, but at the moment, I can tell you what's different about them beyond their provenance. Da Kernel | ||
| Linda Buzzell-Saltzman (Linda) Bug Squisher Username: Linda Post Number: 50 Registered: 01-2006 |
One more question: I notice that on the www.helpmefind.com site there are THREE versions of Etoile de Lyon listed. One just "EdL", one "Huntingdon attribution" and one "Santa Cruz/Grant clone" version. I think Gregg has the "Huntingdon" version. What are these others? Now I'm confused all over again... | ||
| Linda Buzzell-Saltzman (Linda) Bug Squisher Username: Linda Post Number: 49 Registered: 01-2006 |
Yes, thanks everyone. An excellent discussion. I'm looking forward to trying EdL at home. | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 597 Registered: 01-2006 |
Thank you gentlemen. That was a nice concise educational seminar. :-) What we have here, clearly, is Etoile de Lyon. It faces some fairly major surgery and a probable move. Let me advise all present to NEVER, NEVER, EVER plant a Tea Rose in a half-whiskey-barrel. The sides may deteriorate, but the bottom often does not, and the rose's roots WILL run out of space, given enough time. | ||
| Malcolm M Manners (Mmanners) Bug Squisher Username: Mmanners Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2004 |
Gregg, Thanks again. If you did see Alliance Franco-Russe in my garden, this must be it, since I've never knowingly grown that rose, and I only grew this rose as Etoile de Lyon, as I received it. So it would make sense that it was mislabelled, and I may have been growing AFR. | ||
| Gregg Lowery (Gregg) Bug Squisher Username: gregg Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2006 |
Malcolm, Two Teas come to mind as possibilities; Souvenir de Pierre Notting, which mildews and the guard petals spot in raining or foggy weather (probably less so for you). The flowers are quite full. But I also recall vaguely that we saw Alliance Franco-Russe in your garden at one time. Both of these Teas have very yellow flowers without pink or apricot and both have plum colored new growth. Alliance Franco-Russe actually has plum colored stems that stay colored for months after developing, just like Lady Hillingdon's. Cheers, Gregg | ||
| Malcolm M Manners (Mmanners) Bug Squisher Username: Mmanners Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2004 |
Gregg, Thanks for the info. Any ideas on what our "other" Etoile de Lyon may have been? As I recall it also had quite plum purple new growth and was a huge grower. | ||
| Gregg Lowery (Gregg) Bug Squisher Username: gregg Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2006 |
Malcolm, Your description of the Anna Olivier from Bermuda seems to describe what I know as Etoile de Lyon. Most distinctive is it's resistance to mildew, which I think makes it the very best yellow Tea rose, surpassing Lady Hillingdon and others for health. Hmmm...is this in the Texas Earthkind roses? The flowers are also not true yellow for us but buff yellow, clearly yellow with a pink tint. It is rather double, but never seems to ball, and its petals seem immune to rain and fog. OK, I'll have a hedge of that! Now if only it was not affected by bacterial diseases in the winter we would be able to grow an unlimited store; but as a young cutting regularly is one of the first to go down in midwinter, whether out in the rain, or under cover. Gregg | ||
| Malcolm M Manners (Mmanners) Bug Squisher Username: Mmanners Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2004 |
Gregg, I've heard before, that Bermuda's Anna Olivier was the same as Etiole de Lyon. But now I have a mystery -- I've grown two different roses with those names, and I'm wondering which is which. We used to grow EdL in our garden. It was consistently yellow, sometimes paler than at other times, but always yellow. No apricot or pink. Often somewhat quartered, so that the flower would open with a "crack" in the center. It also balled badly in damp weather, and was a mildew magnet. I don't seem to have any record of where I got it, but we had it at least since the late '80s or very early '90s. Bermuda's AO, on the other hand, can have some pink edges to the flowers, seldom balls, and is not particularly mildew-susceptible for us. It never had the odd "crack" in the center of the flower. I see no resemblance at all. So, obviously, we had two different roses. I know my BAO was right, since I brought it from Bermuda. But I wonder now, what my EdL was. So which one (if either) is being grown on the West Coast under these names? | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 596 Registered: 01-2006 |
Thx Gregg. That's a good piece of information to have for future reference. :-) Jeri | ||
| Gregg Lowery (Gregg) Bug Squisher Username: gregg Post Number: 17 Registered: 01-2006 |
Jeri and Linda, I do believe that the EdL at ARE is the same rose that we grow. I don't recall ever seeing any rose in commerce labeled EdL that was not the same. Though we have seen our EdL under the name 'Anna Olivier' from Bermuda. Gregg | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 595 Registered: 01-2006 |
You know, I don't know whether there are different versions of that one or not. It's entirely possible -- heaven knows, that's true of a lot of other roses. Gregg Lowery would know, however. Jeri | ||
| Linda Buzzell-Saltzman (Linda) Bug Squisher Username: Linda Post Number: 48 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Jeri, You're undoubtedly right that the EdL at the Santa Barbara Postel rose garden is from ARE, Jeri. I was just guessing, going by the description in the Vintage Gardens catalog. I gather there is more than one version of EdL -- is that right? | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: Jeri Post Number: 594 Registered: 01-2006 |
Linda, we've grown Etoile de Lyon for close on 20 years. Ours is from ARE, however. In any case, yes, it is blooming away down the hill -- or was. Clay more or less deadheaded it. Anyhow, are you POSITIVE the plant in the Postel garden came from Vintage? We -- Clay and I -- planted all those roses initially, and they were all from the Antique Rose Emporium. Was this a later addition? Jeri Jennings | ||
| Linda Buzzell-Saltzman (Linda) Bug Squisher Username: Linda Post Number: 47 Registered: 01-2006 |
I noticed that Etoile de Lyon is doing really well right now at the Santa Barbara Postel garden, much greener than the other tea roses and still bushy in early Feb with no discernable disease, looking very healthy and vibrant, although out of bloom. I am assuming this is the Vintage Gardens version of EdL. Does anyone else have experience with this old tea rose? |