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     Geoffrey Katz (Geoffrey_katz) Powdery Mildew Username: Geoffrey_katz Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Cass, Maurizio, and all, Here are a few more images, taken this past Sunday May 23, 2010. The fully opened bloom seems to have a "double" quality... All the Best Geoffrey    | ||
| Cass Bernstein (Cass) Rowdy Rosarian Username: Cass Post Number: 353 Registered: 01-2006 |
I agree with Maurizio that it could be some form of Cécile Brunner. I took a close look at my Spray Cécile Brunner. When you touch the buds and foliage, they should leave a peppery scent on your fingers. The bloom size and color are right, the canes and prickles with reddish new growth are right, the foliage shape is right, the bracts and sepals are right, and the time of bloom is right. It's hard to know whether whether this plant is the bush or the climber. Judging by the enormous old stump, the climber is most likely. The plain bush form has been planted in Mill Valley for a century, and those plants get to be 10 x 8 ft. Here's a link to many pictures of the climber: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.891&tab=1 Here's a link to information about the bush form, which grows all over Mill Valley. There's a nice large plant for comparison on E. Blithedale at the sorta NW corner at Locust (or maybe Hilarita or Elm): http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.890 You'll know it's the climber if the canes shoot up 10 or 15 feet. | ||
| Geoffrey Katz (Geoffrey_katz) Powdery Mildew Username: Geoffrey_katz Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello, Would anyone like to suggest further thoughts on what this rose might be? Here are images of a new bloom, overall about 3 cm / a little over an inch long. Very powerful lush fragrance.       | ||
| Maurizio Usai (Morris) Powdery Mildew Username: morris Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi Geoffrey, those pictures reminds me of 'Bloomfield Abundance' ('Spry Cécile Brunner') ... Ciao, Maurizio | ||
| Cass Bernstein (Cass) Rowdy Rosarian Username: Cass Post Number: 350 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi, Geoffrey. I'd be happy to take a look. I'm located in Mill Valley, so it would be easy to drive to Tennessee Valley in about 10 minutes. Among the most common old roses we find are rootstocks, like Odorata 22449/Fun Jwan Lo. Since Tennessee Valley has lots of coastal influence, roses that bloom only once a year in other locations often show scattered bloom after the spring flush. I agree it's a shame that this plant was cut to the ground before it was identified. It will be very hard, if not impossible, for such a rose to recover where it is subject to the depredations of deer. Even worse, it becomes almost impossible to propagate because the lush, rank new growth doesn't root well and never has a chance to mature to the point that cuttings or budwood can be collected. Please contact me cbernstein a+ earthlink d0t net and I'll respond after Monday. Here's my badly outdated website. You can see a couple of found roses that I've documented. "Old Town Novato" (which is the same as "Jay's Hudson Crimson") which is now buried by the new Whole Foods in Novato: http://www.rosefog.us/OldTownNovato/OTN.html "Tamalpais Homestead Tea" which was removed when the property behind Tam High was put on the market: http://www.rosefog.us/TamHomesteadTea/TamHomestead.htm | ||
| Geoffrey Katz (Geoffrey_katz) Powdery Mildew Username: Geoffrey_katz Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello all, Here at last are some images of a flower opening. Please let me know your thoughts on what this is. For Stephen and others, there are images posted of Tennessee Valley at my blog at www.geoffreykatz.com/blog Many thanks Geoffrey        | ||
| stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 1052 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Geoffrey, This is very exciting! sort of like watching an old rose give birth... Can you tell us more about the location - climate, etc. Why is it known as the Tennesee Valley? By the way - is someone feasting on this rose? Maybe some protective netting should be put up? Land mines to keep away the weed whacker/tractors? Keep up posted stephen | ||
| Maurizio Usai (Morris) Powdery Mildew Username: morris Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hello Geoffrey. I think you just have to wait some days... and take pictures as the flowers open . I agree with Jill and Behcet, it would be a China or a Tea, or something in the middle. And it's a rebloomer, that's for sure. Best, Maurizio | ||
| Geoffrey Katz (Geoffrey_katz) Greenhorn Username: Geoffrey_katz Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Behcet, Jill, and all, Can you give your further thoughts on the identification of this rose? At last I was able to get images of the buds of this rose - before the deer browse the plant again! You can see "hair" on the bud stem, as well as "spikes" on the bud itself (what are the real terms for these?). Perhaps these features can help identify this rose. Thanks Geoffrey        | ||
| Behcet Fenercioglu (Jedmar) Bug Squisher Username: jedmar Post Number: 224 Registered: 10-2006 |
I agree. The elongated 7 leaflets look like those of Fortune's Double Yellow. | ||
| Geoffrey Katz (Geoffrey_katz) Greenhorn Username: Geoffrey_katz Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2009 |
Here are more images, taken today, Sunday July 12 2009 around 11 am.      | ||
| Jill Perry (Oldtearoses) Shovel Pruner Username: oldtearoses Post Number: 46 Registered: 09-2004 |
The red new growth suggests tea or china. | ||
| Geoffrey Katz (Geoffrey_katz) Greenhorn Username: Geoffrey_katz Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2009 |
Found this rose in an obscure corner of Tennessee Valley, Marin Co, CA. It has been cut back, all we have to go by at this time are the leaves. Can someone make some suggestions what this might be?   |