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     stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 658 Registered: 01-2006 |
did I miss something a while back.....what/where is the Celtic knot garden...? | ||
| Allison Strong (Countess_wildrose) Bug Squisher Username: Countess_wildrose Post Number: 162 Registered: 01-2006 |
I just re-read this thread, and want to add in a late-season comment. The two cl. Devoniensis that I have been coddling along in pots have finally been planted on the entrance pillars to our garden, and already seem to have put on a bit of growth in the couple of weeks they have been set. A couple of nice long canes, a few laterals, and these are still really babies, so I am encouraged that they will be lovely when they reach their stride. Marechal Niel, on the other hand, is a Disappointment. This was it's second year in the ground in a prime location within the Celtic Knot Garden. It has about 6 spindly canes, it is finally tall enough to touch the post which I had thought it would engulf by now. Possibly 2' tall now! This is an own root clone from Chamblees. Disappointment! Those blossoms are a big tease, too, most ball and finally fall off, looking like a moldy glob of Kleenex. What's worse, some never fall off, just hang around looking tacky. I am hoping that next summer it will do better. I am trying to maintain a modicum of patience, recalling the three year rule. But if it can't do any better in 2007, it's outta here! I may have to have The Talk with it come Springtime, and park my trusty spade next to it for good measure. | ||
| Siri Amrit (Siriamrit) Powdery Mildew Username: Siriamrit Post Number: 13 Registered: 05-2006 |
Well... darn. Mike Shoup was the person who told me their MN didn't do well own-root. But over at Chamblee's, they say their own-root MN grows like gangbusters. Guess I'll just have to wait and see. So far it's small but healthy. | ||
| Malcolm M Manners (Mmanners) Bug Squisher Username: mmanners Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2004 |
Siri, Interesting question. I've never grown it O.R. so have no personal experience there. But there are conflicting reports -- apparently the original plant found in Texas was O.R., and was quite vigorous. And Field Roebuck grows it O.R., with great success. However, Mike Shoup (ARE) says it does not do well O.R. for them (same "clone"). Yet the grafted ones grow like weeds at ARE. | ||
| Siri Amrit (Siriamrit) Powdery Mildew Username: Siriamrit Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2006 |
Malcolm, I have what I believe to be a clone of the virus-free MN you speak of, but it's on its own roots. Got it from Chamblee's... it's still a baby. Do you know if it grows well on its own roots? The owner of another nursery told me they stopped carrying it own-root because it tended to die after a few years. Maybe theirs was virused? | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Rowdy Rosarian Username: Jeri Post Number: 384 Registered: 01-2006 |
Malcolm -- I'd give my eyeteeth to have Marechal Niel perform like that here. Thanks for posting the pix, so I can enjoy it by proxy. My friend Kim says those yaller Tea-Noisettes all love heat. We have none -- and that is likely the problem. Even a budded Duchesse d'Auerstadt grows here as a modestly-sized upright "Shrub." Jeri | ||
| Malcolm M Manners (Mmanners) Bug Squisher Username: mmanners Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2004 |
Nope, I've never "rustled" in Texas, nor can I make any claims to having discovered or identified a Marechal Niel, anywhere. However, Gregg Grant, Bill Welch, and I'm not sure who else found an unusually healthy MN somewhere in Texas (we need to get that story straight from the rustlers), and sent me budwood, which I grafted to 'Fortuniana', creating the kudzu of the rose world. You graft it and run for your life, as it takes over. We tested the rose for mosaic virus, and it had none. This virus-free form on 'Fortuniana' is easily the most vigorous rose I've ever encountered. | ||
| Susan Serra (Sserra) Powdery Mildew Username: sserra Post Number: 10 Registered: 05-2006 |
Well, this is very interesting. I have a big, fat, yellow bud that is taking its time and it will be great to have these images to compare it to! I'm just thrilled that it survived our Long Island winter. Although it was a mild winter, but it did get below 20 degrees for a few days, but I don't think in succession. I just wanted to experience this rose in my own garden after I've heard so much about it. And, I think I have several buds now to look forward to. I'm prepared for an untimely death over next winter, but at least I'll have my photos! | ||
| Allison Strong (Countess_wildrose) Bug Squisher Username: Countess_wildrose Post Number: 90 Registered: 01-2006 |
Malcolm, thanks for correcting me! I had sort of blended the two trains of thought about two roses into one, hadn't I?! I have a Marechal Niel, as I mentioned is still a baby. And I have two cl. Devoniensis', both still in the pots from ARE, awaiting their spots flanking the entry arbor to the Celtic Knot Garden, which is still under construction. Both varieties are so small still, and I have great expectations of them, having enjoyed the photos you and Jeri have shared! Malcolm, I think I recall some of the Texas Rose Rustlers mentioning that you were the rustler that located a Marechal Niel someplace in south Texas many years back, and were able to get it ID'd and available once again in commerce. If that tale be true, we all owe you many thanks!!! | ||
| Malcolm M Manners (Mmanners) Bug Squisher Username: mmanners Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2004 |
Here are some pics of definite 'Marechal Niel' in our garden at FSC. The extraordinarily vigorous climber dwarfs the 8x8x8' arbor it's on. The flowers show typical damage by thrips and a bit of balling. Flowers always nod downward, and are always definitely yellow. Malcolm     | ||
| Malcolm M Manners (Mmanners) Bug Squisher Username: mmanners Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2004 |
Wait! Allison -- Jeri's rose is Cl. Devoniensis, NOT MN. And I agree that Susan's rose is neither of the above. Sorry I don't know what it is, though. Not something I've ever grown. Malcolm | ||
| stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 468 Registered: 01-2006 |
Susan, I'll try to make a stop....love to see your garden. ss | ||
| Susan Serra (Sserra) Powdery Mildew Username: sserra Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2006 |
Stephen, yes, of course, I'm flattered you remember! I and a friend visited your garden in the early spring, oh, about 3 years ago I'd say. Very briefly, on a Saturday morning. You gave us a lovely tour! | ||
| Allison Strong (Countess_wildrose) Bug Squisher Username: Countess_wildrose Post Number: 88 Registered: 01-2006 |
OMG, Jeri! That is the most beautiful rose I have ever seen!!! How old is that rose? My little Marechal Niels are barely two and a half feet tall yet, and tend to ball until the summer heat arrives to help them open fully. Yours is exactly what mine want to be when they grow up!!! | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Rowdy Rosarian Username: Jeri Post Number: 375 Registered: 01-2006 |
The pink is really a fleeting thing. The overall effect is a yellowy-white. Like thinly-carved Ivory with sunlight behind it. | ||
| Susan Serra (Sserra) Greenhorn Username: sserra Post Number: 4 Registered: 05-2006 |
Wow, that is beautiful!! It also looks like there is a touch of pink in there. I have no touch of pink, although perhaps that could be a climate thing. It certainly is a beautiful rose with a beautiful form. I live in Northport, east of Huntington, exit 53 off of 495. | ||
| Jeri Jennings (Jeri) Rowdy Rosarian Username: Jeri Post Number: 372 Registered: 01-2006 |
I don't know . . . Devoniensis as I've seen it doesn't have those tighly-curling petals. This:  is a very old Devoniensis. See the petal-texture is different, as well as the form. Of course, these are grown under vastly-different conditions. Jeri | ||
| stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 461 Registered: 01-2006 |
I know you, right?? forgive me, I can remember the rose names.....people names, yikes!! which town? | ||
| Susan Serra (Sserra) Greenhorn Username: sserra Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2006 |
Hi Stephen, I'm on Long Island, north shore, western suffolk county. The rose is all those 7 images. I would be oh, so privileged, if you were out this way and could take a stop to visit my garden! I have a small, lovely, collection of teas, close to a full flush right now. And, many, many more. I would guarantee a worthwhile visit (or at least a cold drink). Thanks Rozanna, yeah, my suspicions too. Wow, that would be cool if its cl. devoniensis! I had wanted that one. Hi Cass! | ||
| Cass Bernstein (Cass) Bug Squisher Username: Cass Post Number: 132 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi, Susan. I'll guess Cl. Devoniensis, with blooms very white on the outside and rather cream on the inside. The foliage is usually dark green. | ||
| stephen scanniello (Steprose) Supreme Crown Gall ! Username: steprose Post Number: 456 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Susan, Welcome to the forum. Where in NY are you? Is the rose in question just the first image or all? Warm zone gardeners.....help! | ||
| Rozanna Tamplin (Rozanna) Bug Squisher Username: rozanna Post Number: 72 Registered: 09-2004 |
Susan, I don't think this is the Marshall - he is typically very yellow of bud. | ||
| Susan Serra (Sserra) Greenhorn Username: sserra Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2006 |
Please ID this rose! It was sold to me as Marechal Niel. I think it was put in the ground last year. I don't remember where I got it from, RU, Vintage, or Pickering. It is strange that the tag is not on it, I don't usually take them off. Therefore, maybe it came from Vintage. I am suspecting that it is not Marechal Niel because I think the thorns are not typical. I wonder if climate could be a factor in any other attributes of the rose, meaning color. For more of a mystery, I have another Marechal Niel from Ashdown that has a very curved thorn and yellow bud, as opposed to this white one, probably disputing the previous theory! What do you think? Thank you! First of SEVEN images: http://www.pbase.com/tivoli/image/60953078 |